Anybody know what gun this is????

[Casper]

Anybody know what this is????

The only marking on it anywhere is the number 34. Sorry for the shitty pics. Used my phone.


EDIT: Updated photos.

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg218/bstillman/DSC01952.jpg

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[NinjaNick]

old ?

[rockybalboa]

You should ask Flounder. I'm sure he will know.

[Benyen Soljax]

looks world war two-ish. doesnt look american. i would guess russian.

[flounder]

Do you have any pics of the entire gun laying on its side.. That will help. I have a few ideas but I dont want to say anything yet. Also, do you konw what caliber it is? If not look at the end of the barrel and at least take a guess. Also look in the chamber and tell my how long the barrel is before it starts to narrow for the neck of the cartridge.. Usually caliber is stamped on the barrel somewhere as well but maybe not in your case..

[rockybalboa]

Satan do you have this in your possession?

[Casper]

Rocky- Yes, I have it in my possession.

Flounder- I have a 7.62x39 round here. Whatever this gun takes, is just slightly narrower but much, much longer. Almost twice as long.

[flounder]

Here are a couple of things to take note of. Since the only markings are of the 34, I would guess that its not made by a major manufacture since they usually at least stamp their models with a cartouche of the company, caliber, etc..
Also, it appears to have a foreplate instead of a magazine, I dont believe that the foreplate was present too far back in history.. Actually that reminds me. some companies would stamp their identifiers on the inside or outside of the forplate, open it and check. It may be an older "replica" I need better pics or to see it in person. It also could have been rebuilt at some point so some of the markings may now be gone. Where did you find it.

[Casper]

Here are a couple of things to take note of. Since the only markings are of the 34, I would guess that its not made by a major manufacture since they usually at least stamp their models with a cartouche of the company, caliber, etc..
Also, it appears to have a foreplate instead of a magazine, I dont believe that the foreplate was present too far back in history.. Actually that reminds me. some companies would stamp their identifiers on the inside or outside of the forplate, open it and check. It may be an older "replica" I need better pics or to see it in person. It also could have been rebuilt at some point so some of the markings may now be gone. Where did you find it.
Found it in my father-in-laws attic. He had no idea it was up there. The house was built by his father. He told me to keep it. So I'm trying to figure out what the hell it is. Its very aged, so it is possible the wood at one point had a stamping but can't be seen now.

[flounder]

Ok so its not 7.62x39. The 7.62x39 is the AK47 round if Im not mistaken. The part that confuses me is that you said its almost 2X as long before the barrel narrows for the cartridge neck. Let me think about that one. Could be something like a .250, .257, etc. Sounds like it is .25 caliber, may also be a magnum based on the length.. I will have to do some thinking on that one.

[Casper]

Okay, finding more stuff. On the inside of the foreplate its marked:
7
50.

Found some other markings as well. All odd characters and the number 34. On the bolt the number 34 appears in 3 places. Two of the places have the lett Y and what looks like a crooked T above it. The top of the T slants upwards from the left.

[flounder]

slow interweb.

[Casper]

http://www.surplusrifle.com/arisakatype38/operations.asp

Someone on CR posted this up. That gun operates exactly the same. The sights are almost identical and this gun has a safety that operates exactly the same.

[flounder]

Ok, so now we are getting somewhere.. there is the possibility that those numbers are Rifle number X, at the Xth Company, at the X Infantry Regiment.(or something similar.. The letters sometimes signify role, Example I=Infantry, A= Artilery, T = supply troop or train troop, etc... If it was mass produced during a war, that could be the reason for no manufacturer identifiers especially if its foreign.

[flounder]

I was thinking of the arisaka but yours appears much shorter.

[flounder]

Good site for Arisaka's but Im not sure if thats what you got.. could be but seems too short.
http://www.radix.net/~bbrown/japanese_markings.html

[Casper]

I was thinking of the arisaka but yours appears much shorter.
It is much shorter than the 38 and 99 models, which is all I can find pics of.

The slanted T I mentioned earlier is this: http://www.radix.net/%7Ebbrown/pictures/japanese/series/s1.gif but without the circle around it. That pic is Japanese for Series Number 1.

http://www.radix.net/~bbrown/japanese_markings.html

[flounder]

hahah we posted the same link.. The Y still confuses me as well as the length..

[Casper]

hahah we posted the same link.. The Y still confuses me as well as the length..
And the number 34...

[wolfman]

Check out 5th pic down http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl22-e.htm I think yours is probably the type 38 carbine

Edit: Although, your forestock looks shorter (or barrel a little longer) but its tough to tell from the pics

[wolfman]

Also, 3rd pic shows a close up of the receiver and it looks identical to yours...from what I can tell.

[flounder]

And the number 34...

See post #14

[Benyen Soljax]

this seems rather obvious to me but it could be a model 1934 of something. it looks similar to the arisaka but the bolt looks much smaller on your rifle and the wood section also looks smaller.

edit: judging from the last link posted it looks like a 38 carbine which has either been modified or just had a smaller wooden part. bolt looks identical.

[flounder]

It just hit me, I think it is the Ariska but potentially the more more rare 38 "carbine" version which explains the shorter barrel.. Satan, look at the end of the stock "barrel end" and see if there is a hole where a cleaning rod should be.

It just didnt hit me till benyen said carbine.. not to mention... YOUR PICTURES FUCKING SUCK....

ps POST PICS OF THE ENTIRE GOD DAMN THING SO WE CAN GET A GOOD LOOK AT IT.

[wolfman]

Check out 5th pic down http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl22-e.htm I think yours is probably the type 38 carbine

Edit: Although, your forestock looks shorter (or barrel a little longer) but its tough to tell from the pics


:missing: I guess you missed my post...

[flounder]

:missing: I guess you missed my post...

Yep...missed it..

Satan.. I would like to see it in person some time.

[flounder]

By the way.. from what I have found, they are worth anywhere from $100-$200.
They produced millions of them. It will be harder for you to find ammo then it would be to find another rifle.

[Putty]

You should ask Flounder. I'm sure he will know.



:lol:

[flounder]

:lol:

Keep running your mouth bisch....

[Casper]

By the way.. from what I have found, they are worth anywhere from $100-$200.
They produced millions of them. It will be harder for you to find ammo then it would be to find another rifle.
I'm not really worried about what's its worth, and I'll probably never fire it. Just want to know what the hell it is for sure. I'll get better pics up as soon as I can.

[JimJr]

It looks like a German 8mm Mauser.

[JimJr]

It looks like a German 8mm Mauser.

[Todd#43]

It looks like a German 8mm Mauser.

It looks like a German 8mm Mauser.

Is there an echo in here?? :D

[flounder]

It looks like a German 8mm Mauser.

Actually we already figured it out..

Its an Ariska 38 carbine.

A 7.62 round wont fit in it and a 8mm damn sure will not fit.

[Chrisoh]

Is there an echo in here?? :D


Nah that is just your hearing after racing that Ducati too long :lol:

[Todd#43]

Nah that is just your hearing after racing that Ducati too long :lol:

Couldn't be....

I never even hit my head.....:D

[Chrisoh]

I hit my head on all of them to make it hard to point the finger at just one. :beating:

[Cleaner]

I think I saw that gun on Call of Duty 3.

[KhaoticRebel]

Ha ha, that's what I was thinking Cleaner!

[Casper]

Three years later I finally get around to updating the photos. LOL

[max power]

Three years later I finally get around to updating the photos. LOL


WTH?? Where have you been hiding that boat anchor? Thats not the burned up one is it?

[Likwid]

lbts, glws

[Casper]

WTH?? Where have you been hiding that boat anchor? Thats not the burned up one is it?
Burned up one?? Eh??

[max power]

Nevermind, I'm thinking of one Jerry has in his garage. It was in his house fire.

The Captain is catching up with me. :D

So, why havent I seen this little gem?

[Casper]

Nevermind, I'm thinking of one Jerry has in his garage. It was in his house fire.

The Captain is catching up with me. :D

So, why havent I seen this little gem?

I could've sworn you'd seen it before. Hell, for the longest time it was just laying in the garage until I got those shelves and cleaned the garage really good.

[max power]

I could've sworn you'd seen it before. Hell, for the longest time it was just laying in the garage until I got those shelves and cleaned the garage really good.


I dont recall seeing it. Hell, I'da started hitting it with some 4OT if I had seen it. Cant stand to see a rusty gun without trying to clean it up.

[chevysoldier]

Who is this Satan guy. :dunno:

And how old it that thing?

[max power]

Who is this Satan guy. :dunno:

And how old it that thing?


We now know him as DevilGhost. Hes around 29.

[chevysoldier]

We now know him as DevilGhost. Hes around 29.

I meant how old is the rifle. :nono: :lol:

[ReconRat]

1937-1946 era

Toward the end of production, materials were in short supply.
I don't think it would have been unusual to find a short barrel, or a short stock, etc.
some of the last models were probably dangerous to fire in the first place.

[chevysoldier]

Ahh cool. Thanks Tom.

[max power]

1937-1946 era

Toward the end of production, materials were in short supply.
I don't think it would have been unusual to find a short barrel, or a short stock, etc.
some of the last models were probably dangerous to fire in the first place.


Cool!! Lets shoot it!!

[buildit]

So the make and model have been confirmed? I only ask because parts of it look just like my enfield 303.

[Casper]

So the make and model have been confirmed? I only ask because parts of it look just like my enfield 303.

I'm not sure anything has been confirmed.

[bandit12]

Looks like an Arisaka model 99 that has been sporterized by removing the front sight and shortening the forend of the stock. What I am going by is the safety knob on the rear of the bolt, the 99's have the same dimple in the edge of the knob as yours and the model 38's have an ear that sticks out of the knob like a small lever. The model 99's are 7.7x58 caliber and the model 38's are 6.5x50 caliber. JMO

[Carwhore]

just go to vegas and sell it to pawn stars.

[flounder]

Looks like an Arisaka model 99 that has been sporterized by removing the front sight and shortening the forend of the stock. What I am going by is the safety knob on the rear of the bolt, the 99's have the same dimple in the edge of the knob as yours and the model 38's have an ear that sticks out of the knob like a small lever. The model 99's are 7.7x58 caliber and the model 38's are 6.5x50 caliber. JMO

If a 7.62x39 wont fit in the chamber, Im pretty sure the 7.7x58 wont fit. :)

Of course thats assuming the 7.7 has the same or larger case diameter.

[relic_hunter_09]

It's an Arisaka Type 38 training rifle. The stock has been cut down and the bolt has been heated and bent. The trainers had a hardwood stock, no chrysanthemum or Type 38 marking on the top of the receiver and usually did not have any rifling in the barrel. Real type 38 battle rifles had a two piece butt stock that you usually see on Arisaka rifles and had a chrysanthemum and Japanese characters that translate to "38 Type" on the top of the receiver. These rifles were chambered to fire the 6.5X50 Jap round.
T38 trainer receiver:
http://www.myeasypics.com/is.php?i=298552
Type 38 receiver:
http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/195715000/195715525/pix987455031.jpg
Trainer stock:
http://www.myeasypics.com/is.php?i=298565
Type 38 two piece stock:
http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/195715000/195715525/pix663549115.jpg

Unlike the actual Type 38 battle rifle that had the strongest receiver of any bolt action rifle made during the time, the Type 38 training rifle is extremely dangerous to shoot live ammo through. These were designed to be dry fired or to shoot blank ammo. Shoot a live round of 6.5X50 through it and the guys at the morgue will have a hell of a time trying to make you look good enough for an open casket ceremony. the receiver (which is made of cast iron) could explode or the bolt could recoil back into the shooter's face.

Why someone would have "sporterized" a trainer is beyond me. Better a $100.00 training rifle than a $2500.00 paratrooper rifle though.

[Casper]

You must be the guy from Armslist I've been talking to. I read your email, then you posted the same thing here. :lol:

[relic_hunter_09]

Yep!!

[chevysoldier]

Another cold case file closed. Good info relic_hunter, neat to know what it is.

[Casper]

Yep!!

Well welcome to Ohio Riders. :D