Hey penn state....

[gen3flygirl]

.... Thanks for making us look like saints


I hope this guy gets everything that is coming to him.

http://m.nbcsports.com/search?articleId=45186257

[C-bus]

I'm getting irritated with NBC referring to it as a "sex scandal". It's child molestation.

[Vulcan_Rider]

i'm getting irritated with nbc referring to it as a "sex scandal". It's child molestation.



qft

[jester3681]

I bet Penn State stands behind the head coach. Nasty situation though.

[Casper]

Ol' Joe should've retired last year. Now he'll forever be tainted by this.

[Vulcan_Rider]

I don't get why Joe Paterno is even involved at this point. When this was brought to his attention in 2002 he did what he was supposed to, he reported it to the higher ups. I don't get what else people expect him to do. Should he have run a one man crusade against Sandusky over a situation he did not witness and had already reported? Should he have practiced a little vigilante justice? What else was he supposed to do after he reported this to his supervisor?

[gen3flygirl]

Report it to the fucking cops!!!!! If some one told you that an adult is having any sort of inappropriate relationship with a minor why wouldn't you tell the proper authorities not your supervisors. Those kids lived will never be the same, after years of therapy they might be able to function normally but that is a huge if. I think any one that knew and didn't press the issue should be charged as an accomplice. Maybe I am over reacting but shit like this should never happen yet it keeps coming up in news stories.

[Vulcan_Rider]

I agree that I personally would press the issue, call the cops, kill the bastard whatever you want to call it, but, there is a difference between doing something wrong and doing something immoral. Joe Paterno did nothing that warrants discipline, from a moral stand point I agree he should have done more but as far as rule breaking I just am not seeing it.

[gen3flygirl]

I agree that I personally would press the issue, call the cops, kill the bastard whatever you want to call it, but, there is a difference between doing something wrong and doing something immoral. Joe Paterno did nothing that warrants discipline, from a moral stand point I agree he should have done more but as far as rule breaking I just am not seeing it.


I still feel like I am over reacting but I don't understand how a university can employ someone in a leadership role when they have failed to properly report something like this.

[jblosser]

An incident involving the coach (Sandusky) and a male minor was reported in 1998. Circumstances were similar ("...incidents with children in football building showers...") to the ones reported over the weekend that occurred in 2002 and 2009. This incident was "investigated" by the University Police.

Joe Pa "...felt it was time to make a coaching change..." in 1999. Coincidence? I doubt it.

According to this Grand Jury report (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/documents/sandusky-grand-jury-report11052011.html), the university's President knew of the 1998 and 2002 allegations, and it looks as though he did next to nothing, aside from notifying the executive director of the football camp (a.k.a. hunting grounds for Sandusky).

The graduate assistant who witnessed an incident in 2002 is the wide receivers coach and recruiting coordinator at Penn State.

The A.D. and an S.V.P. at Penn State have already been fired, er, "resigned" and "been placed on leave".

The President needs to go.

Joe Pa *should* have done more, could have done more. As a man, as a father, as a Christian, as a human, he should have done more. He should have called the State Police. He should have done *something* more than just sending it up the chain of command, where it seemingly was ignored/covered up.

As a father of a 10 year old football player (same age as one of the 2002 vicitims), I know for a fact that I'd be sitting in city/county lockup right now, as the D.A. would be considering whether or not to file charges against me on a count of manslaughter.

Sh*t like this, when the victims are children and the adults who are supposed to protect them do next to nothing, really, really, REALLY angers me.

</rant>

[Reimbrandt]

well.... hes gonna resign. I hate that such a amazing career is going to end like this....

[Vulcan_Rider]

I still feel like I am over reacting but I don't understand how a university can employ someone in a leadership role when they have failed to properly report something like this.


That's what I am saying though he did not fail to report it, he reported to his boss who decided not to do anything, that is no Paterno's fault.

[jblosser]

According to the New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/penn-state-said-to-be-planning-paternos-exit.html?partner=rss&emc=rss), Joe Pa will be gone "soon, perhaps within days or weeks".

...The board of trustees has yet to determine the precise timing of Paterno’s exit, but it is clear that the man who has more victories than any other coach at college football’s top level and who made Penn State a prestigious national brand will not survive to coach another season...

It's too bad that a man I thought to be as good, coaching-wise and "doing things the right way-wise" as could be found has to have his career end this way, but the following excerpt from the same story in The Times succintly sums it up (my own emphasis added):

Since Sandusky’s arrest Saturday, Penn State — notably its president, Graham Spanier, and Paterno — have come under withering criticism for a failure to act adequately after learning, at different points over the years, that Sandusky might have been abusing children.

Not just one time, but multiple times. :nono:

[Tpoppa]

Sandusky's autobiography titled 'Touched'

Come on :(

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/07/justice/pennsylvania-sandusky-profile/

[Vulcan_Rider]

I cannot speak about the exact policy that Penn State has but I know when I used to teach PSR (Publicly Schooled Religion) for my church the policy was if a child came to me and reported abuse I was not to call the police but report it to the director and let them do whatever they had to do. It was in our policy not to call the police maybe Penn State has a similar policy. Unfortunately the court of public opinion will tarnish Joe Paternos reputation and career even though he did nothing wrong. This is what happens when people think with emotion and not logic.

[jblosser]

That's what I am saying though he did not fail to report it, he reported to his boss who decided not to do anything, that is no Paterno's fault.

I agree, it's not Joe Pa's fault that his boss is/was a delta-bravo. His boss is also now out of a job.

If Joe Pa had done something just beyond reporting it to his boss in 1998, that something might have prevented the *alleged* multiple cases of abuse that occurred later.

It's one thing to 'follow orders', i.e. report it to your superiors and leave it at that.

It's quite another when you know for a fact that nothing has been done to stop the abuse from happening, and yet you do nothing.

Listen, I thought as highly of Coach Paterno until all of this came to light as anyone did - he won, consistently, and did it the "right way".

How one can stand by and allow things like this to happen is just beyond my comprehension.

[Casper]

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/45186257/ns/sports-college_football/

[redkow97]

I cannot speak about the exact policy that Penn State has but I know when I used to teach PSR (Publicly Schooled Religion) for my church the policy was if a child came to me and reported abuse I was not to call the police but report it to the director and let them do whatever they had to do. It was in our policy not to call the police maybe Penn State has a similar policy. Unfortunately the court of public opinion will tarnish Joe Paternos reputation and career even though he did nothing wrong. This is what happens when people think with emotion and not logic.

Penn State's policies don't trump Pennsylvania State Law.

Unless PA is vastly different from Ohio (and that's possible), you're required to report child abuse to police, even if it's merely a suspicion.

This is one of the few places that the law imposes a duty on an otherwise innocent bystander. The state may have to prove a few things to make the charges stick, but the fact is, people knew, and they not only failed to report these crimes to the PROPER authorities, but also took steps to conceal them.

The whole story will come out eventually, and then we'll see if Paterno is really guilty of concealing stuff, or if he just reported something to his bosses because he was obligated to, but never really believed his friend would do such things.

I can understand the latter scenario. Hindsight being 20/20, I'm sure he's kicking himself now too.

[gen3flygirl]

I cannot speak about the exact policy that Penn State has but I know when I used to teach PSR (Publicly Schooled Religion) for my church the policy was if a child came to me and reported abuse I was not to call the police but report it to the director and let them do whatever they had to do. It was in our policy not to call the police maybe Penn State has a similar policy. Unfortunately the court of public opinion will tarnish Joe Paternos reputation and career even though he did nothing wrong. This is what happens when people think with emotion and not logic.

Nothing against you or your belief in religion but what you just stated is one of many reasons I am against organized religion. I think what has surfaced in the past few years is proof enough. I dont care how many enemies I would make or loosing my job child molestation is something that should always be taken seriously and reported to proper authorities not someone who might be protecting their own interest.

[Vulcan_Rider]

The whole story will come out eventually, and then we'll see if Paterno is really guilty of concealing stuff, or if he just reported something to his bosses because he was obligated to, but never really believed his friend would do such things.

I can understand the latter scenario. Hindsight being 20/20, I'm sure he's kicking himself now too.




I am sure there will be more to this story and if Paterno did actively cover up these actions or knew that they were being covered up and did nothing then I agree he needs to lose his job and have charges brought against him. However I cant blame somebody in a public position like his for reporting the incident and then trying to distance himself from the situation.

[redkow97]

Nothing against you or your belief in religion but what you just stated is one of many reasons I am against organized religion. I think what has surfaced in the past few years is proof enough. I dont care how many enemies I would make or loosing my job child molestation is something that should always be taken seriously and reported to proper authorities not someone who might be protecting their own interest.


I'm not sure you can blame cover-ups on religion in particular. Anywhere there is money flowing in, people will take sickening lengths to keep it coming.

I am no fan of organized religion, but it's not the religion part motivating molestation or covering up molestation - it's the money.

[Vulcan_Rider]

I dont care how many enemies I would make or loosing my job child molestation is something that should always be taken seriously and reported to proper authorities not someone who might be protecting their own interest.


I agree and as I said earlier I would do more than just report to my superior but I am not obligated to do so. If a child reported abuse to me I would have told the director and then I would have been on that directors ass about what she was doing to follow up on the report and if she did not call police I would.

[max power]

Thanks Penn State. The Big 10 is so fucked.

[Scruit]

WE'll have to see what is said about what Paterno knew, and what feedback he got from his higher-ups. Maybe he was told the investigation concluded the allegations were unfoudned, or were a misinterpretation of what went on. You have to judge him by what he knew, not by what we know know. There is a lot of anger now that we know more, but before that anger is directed at any one individual then we need to be sure they are deserving.

It's all speculation right now, let it play out before we prepare the gallows. If he DID know what was gogin on then he had a moral duty to make sure it stopped, to follow up if he didn't get good answers, to call the police himself if he was sure. BUT if he got one report of some inappropriate conduct, reported it up and was told; "We investigated, wasnt what to looked like, we dealt with it and it won't happen again." then would it be appropriate for him to still go to the police?

[cmh_sprint]

AP is reporting JP will retire at the end of the season.

[jblosser]

AP is reporting JP will "retire" at the end of the season.

ftfy

[Scruit]

AP is reporting JP will be removed from the program for public relations reasons under the guise of "retirement" at the end of the season.

ft some more

[Bad324]

the JoePa "retiring" at the end of the season as a compromise to this issue makes me laugh. This was the last year of his contract and it was pretty much known among recruits this was likely his last hurrah, especially if he won the Big 10

[cmh_sprint]

the JoePa "retiring" at the end of the season as a compromise to this issue makes me laugh. This was the last year of his contract and it was pretty much known among recruits this was likely his last hurrah, especially if he won the Big 10

+1. Cheap PR spin for the University. Plus it's been rumored Urban Meyer already bought a home in State College.

[bowdog]

Plus it's been rumored Urban Meyer already bought a home in State College.

:rolleyes: there was also a rumor going around here he bought Herbstreets house.

[Bad324]

+1. Cheap PR spin for the University. Plus it's been rumored Urban Meyer already bought a home in State College.
:lol: this is now the 3rd college town its been rumored he bought a house. I don't buy any Urban Meyer rumors at this point

Plus I'm pretty sure they've been pitching to recruits that Paterno's top assistant is going to take over. My buddy's little brother is being recruited by PSU so whether its all BS they are telling him remains to be seen

[Scruit]

+1. Cheap PR spin for the University. Plus it's been rumored Urban Meyer already bought a home in State College.

Wasn't it rumoured he bought a house in Columbus while Tressel was hanging on by his fingertips?

[Ron505]

Older women that chase younger boys are called cougars.....

Older men that chase younger boys are Nittany Lions.

[Vulcan900]

Older women that chase younger boys are called cougars.....

Older men that chase younger boys are Nittany Lions.

Wow, that made me chuckle, but damn thats wrong.

[ohiomike]

Wow, that made me chuckle, but damn thats wrong.

Yep, its a sick joke. Like joking about your mother being raped. Nothing at all funny about either.

[Scruit]

Yep, its a sick joke. Like joking about your mother being raped. Nothing at all funny about either.

I wouldn't be amused by someone raping my mother. I'd be all like; "Hey, put her back in the coffin!" :(

Too soon? :rolleyes:

[phil]

Older women that chase younger boys are called cougars.....

Older men that chase younger boys are Nittany Lions.


so wrong, but it still made me laugh.

non the less, did anyone actually read the grand jury statement? its insane, but after reading it, there isnt much blame to lay on joe pa. he didnt witness the situation, he did what he was supposed to do. he had 3 hand evidence, so why dont we lay more blame on the GA? or how about this, lets blame the real target, jerry sandusky. the admin failed by not doing more. they had an investigator tell sandusky " stop showering with little boys" the fucking cops had sandusky admit what he did and this is what they said. if anyone wants me to post the Grand jury statement i will. 23 pgs of absolute madness.

[RymerC]

I wouldn't be amused by someone raping my mother. I'd be all like; "Hey, put her back in the coffin!" :(

Too soon? :rolleyes:

:D Hilarious!

There is no "too soon" on the internet.

[Casper]

Wasn't it rumoured he bought a house in Columbus while Tressel was hanging on by his fingertips?
Yup.

[Vulcan_Rider]

Yep, its a sick joke. Like joking about your mother being raped. Nothing at all funny about either.


As a person who finds dead baby jokes hilarious and will laugh at jokes on any topic I have to disagree, that was very funny and Scruit also provided a mother being raped joke that I laughed at. Maybe I am just that fucked in the head...and I am ok with that.

[madcat6183]

Friend of a friend was the realitor on the Urban Meyer thing... His wife's family was from the area and were looking at a house because of that. Someone was sick in the family. It had nothing to do with OSU..... Not that it won't but it did not. Also, it has yet to been placed on the auditor site, unless someone else can find it, but we haven't been able to. So not sure if he really bought one or not.

[Casper]

Friend of a friend was the realitor on the Urban Meyer thing... His wife's family was from the area and were looking at a house because of that. Someone was sick in the family. It had nothing to do with OSU..... Not that it won't but it did not. Also, it has yet to been placed on the auditor site, unless someone else can find it, but we haven't been able to. So not sure if he really bought one or not.
Guess we'll just have to wait and see.

[phil]

its official, im convinced espn is just in the mood to make people want to fire joe pa. doug goblieb had this whole thing about how he wants to listen to smart people and what they would do and their opinions. he brings his father on who was a long time coach, he asks his father "would you let paterno coach this weekend?" his father gave some great examples and said yes. while saying yes and giving reasons why, doug was on the defense and yelling at his dad baisically trying to get him to stop talking and saying dad, your wrong joe pa shouldnt coach after all this info came out. not one person on espn has backed paterno, but instead started a 100% witch hunt on him. from mike and mike to doug gotlieb (est 8hrs) of people saying to get rid of paterno. where is the other side? why is no one defending him? and when people do, they cut them off or hang up on them?

[Casper]

its official, im convinced espn is just in the mood to make people want to fire joe pa. doug goblieb had this whole thing about how he wants to listen to smart people and what they would do and their opinions. he brings his father on who was a long time coach, he asks his father "would you let paterno coach this weekend?" his father gave some great examples and said yes. while saying yes and giving reasons why, doug was on the defense and yelling at his dad baisically trying to get him to stop talking and saying dad, your wrong joe pa shouldnt coach after all this info came out. not one person on espn has backed paterno, but instead started a 100% witch hunt on him. from mike and mike to doug gotlieb (est 8hrs) of people saying to get rid of paterno. where is the other side? why is no one defending him? and when people do, they cut them off or hang up on them? Well that's doesn't sound familiar or anything........ Raping children... Free tattoos... Same witch-hunt.

[APCh8r]

Yeah that is what ESPN does lately, they just try to feed drama now a days, they are getting worse and worse. Hell look at all the lock out stuff they try to cause issues with.

[Casper]

Yeah that is what ESPN does lately, they just try to feed drama now a days, they are getting worse and worse. Hell look at all the lock out stuff they try to cause issues with.

Sensationalism.

[APCh8r]

Sensationalism.:stupid:

[phil]

Well that's doesn't sound familiar or anything........ Raping children... Free tattoos... Same witch-hunt.


espn is controlling the sports world. i wanna know more about the lock out than sandusky. 3 days of this makes me want to shoot myself.

1. tattos
2.andrew luck is the greatest player in the nfl
3. lsu vs bama
4.penn st
5.how soft the nfl is
6. hating tim tebow because he is muslim
where is the actual SPORTS INFO STUART SCOTT USE TO ENTERTAIN ME WITH

[Bad324]

I cannot stand ESPN because of all that shit. I don't even know the last time I watched sportscenter. If its not PTI or Around the Horn or an actual game, I cannot stand just about everyone that works for ESPN.

ESPN is ruining college football in many ways. PERIOD

[Simplysix]

ESPN NEWS- Joe Pa has been fired as Penn State football coach; school president Graham Spanier dismissed

[buildit]

ESPN NEWS- Joe Pa has been fired as Penn State football coach; school president Graham Spanier dismissed

Yep, just of Fox. Proof the media rules the world. I hope they lose every game for the next ten years. We don't know the circumstances but It sounds like JoPa was canned just because. :nono:

[Casper]

:nono:

[obesityrules]

ESPN has play by play action on pennstate and the student riots. they just showed a bunch of kids getting pepper sprayed after they overturned a media van.

[gen3flygirl]

I am glad he got fired pa is one of the few states that does not legally require you to report abuse to police. If he was in any of the other 45 states his ass would be in jail. I think everyone in that chain of command should lose their jobs. I still don't understand how you could work with someone that long knowing that they did those kind of things.

[Vulcan_Rider]

I am glad he got fired pa is one of the few states that does not legally require you to report abuse to police. If he was in any of the other 45 states his ass would be in jail. I think everyone in that chain of command should lose their jobs. I still don't understand how you could work with someone that long knowing that they did those kind of things.


Why? Because Joe Paterno didnt meet your moral standard of doing enough? This is the type of shit that happens when the media sensationalizes and plays on peoples emotions.

This is something I put on facebook earlier, might as well put it here too.

More proof that the media is way more powerful than it ever should be, Joe Paterno was fired after doing absolutely nothing wrong and following proper procedure. The only reason he got fired is because the media made it out to be something it wasn't. This legendary coach gets fired which means no pension or any other retirement from the university all because the media once again sensationalizes the story and decides to play on the general publics emotion instead of reporting only facts and not bullshit. The general public is to blame too because 90% of people cannot put emotions aside long enough to look at facts all they hear is child molestation and anyone who knew the guy should be burned at the stake. Well congratulations assholes you just ruined the career and reputation of one of the greatest coaches to ever be on the field, i hope you feel better now that the witch hunt is over.

[Beegreenstrings]

OK so like tressel, lets make someone that did nothing the F'in fall guy. I know this has been discussed but dammit people. Fire the tard not the guy that had nothing to do with it.

AND

Just because he is the head coach that does not mean he should be fired because his staff did whatever. This is stupid, Once again. First Jim now Joe.

[kawi kid]

Football is srs bizznass

[Beegreenstrings]

Football is srs bizznass

I take college ball more srs than pro ball. But this is just getting stupid now. :nono:
Oh wait a minute. Coach one of your guys sold some stuff to get a tatoo. Your fired.
Oh wait coach one of your staff assualted a under age kid in the shower. Your fired.


WTF!

[Scruit]

Oh wait a minute. Coach one of your guys sold some stuff to get a tatoo. You knew about it, lied about it, and went down in writing that you didn't know. You're fired.





Oh wait coach one of your staff raped a 10yr old boy in the shower. You were told about it. You knew about it. You did the very minimum you could legally do without being arrested yourself but made no attempt to ensure that it was actually investigated. You're lucky that PA law doesn't require basic human morality so you can't be *charged*, but your responsibilty to manage the people that report to you was breached when you allowed a child rapist to continue working for you without asking; "Hey, why is he not in jail?" You're fired.


ftfy At least that's how I imagnie the conversations went. I have to assume the trustees have more info that we currently do. Police reports etc.


He was not the only person fired from Penn State. It was a systemtic problem, and anyone who was part of the system that stilfed these allegations must pay the price.


Are any of the JoePa suppoorters sparing a thought for the rape victims here? Just wonderin'

[kawi kid]

I dislike sports for many of these reasons.

[Bad324]

I must be a real asshole because I don't think they should've fired him and let him finish out the season. But then again I have testicles and use logic as opposed to emotion, even if its real fucked up logic

[Scruit]

My brother walked in and caught his neighbor / best friend in the act of abusing an 8yo girl. He was under no legal reporting obligation.

He called the police. The man is now serving 14 years in jail.

That's how you do it. Any questions?

[kawi kid]

I have a question... how did he keep from killing the guy?

[Scruit]

I must be a real asshole because I don't think they should've fired him and let him finish out the season. But then again I have testicles and use logic as opposed to emotion, even if its real fucked up logic


The timing sucks. SHoudln't have been done in the middle of the season.

Should have been done back when the crime happened. Nobody should have covered up the rape of a 10yr old. It's like a cancer - all of the tumor must be removed if the university is to survive.

[Bad324]

Should have been done back when the crime happened. Nobody should have covered up the rape of a 10yr old. It's like a cancer - all of the tumor must be removed if the university is to survive.
Completely agree. My only issue with it is that I haven't seen anything proving JoePa himself covered anything up. That doesn't mean there isn't anything, I just haven't seen it so if someone has some info to dispute this I would easily change my stance.

He reported something that was not seen by his own eyes to his superiors who had a higher power to take care of the situation. THEY chose not to take care of it along with college police, state police and possibly an assistant DA. Sure, he didn't go to enough lengths to get it taken care of in most peoples opinions but how did he know if the GA was telling the truth? The GA could've had a grudge or something.

The whole situation is absolutely despicable and Sandusky should be lit on fire and hung from a tree while beaten and sodomized by his victims. The administrators that have been charged with crimes also should suffer massive beatings and sodomization. JoePa shoulda been left to finish the season and retire. Do I think he is innocent? Hell NO! But do I think he deserves as much as hes taking right now, absolutely not

[kawi kid]

Isn't it funny how one man ruined the legacy of a great coach?

[Scruit]

I have a question... how did he keep from killing the guy?

He's legally blind (lost 75% of his vision due to a brain tumor when he was 10 - has severe tunnel vision, but what he sees he sees clearly) and his neighbor was much bigger. He would have lost a physical confrontation. It also would have given the abuser the chance to destroy evidence.

Instead he went and called the police without the guy knowing he'd been seen. By the time the police arrived the guy had left the building and was arrested in a traffic stop - the police then searched his house and found evidence of years of abuse of multiple victims. All the evidence was set up in a way he could have destroyed it in seconds. Even if the police had knocked on his dooto serve a werrant while he was home the evidence could have been destroyed.

So, controlling the understandable urge to wade in an kill someone too it from a single rape charge then a he-said-she-said for everything else - into a slam dunk case where this man will likely not ever be released from jail. The prosecutor wanted 21 years but would have required a 6yo to testify about what happened to her - they settled for 14 years.

[shittygsxr]

Why? Because Joe Paterno didnt meet your moral standard of doing enough? This is the type of shit that happens when the media sensationalizes and plays on peoples emotions.

This is something I put on facebook earlier, might as well put it here too.

Coaches do not punch in at the beginning of the day and out at the end of the day, 24/7 they represent the university and everything it stands for. Molesting children in your locker room is not something that the university gets to decide if it is right or wrong. It is a legal issue so reporting it to your boss is not sufficient. It does not free you of your obligations.

[Scruit]

The guy my brother caught / turned in...

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m159/Scruit/Barnsley_chronicle.jpg

He was facing 800 charges to begin with. He had 37 SD cards full of pictures and videos of his crimes.

My brother sent me this update about the guilty plea:


Alan Nixon has been sent to prison for 14 Years

7 years for Rape of a child
4years for idecent penetration of a sexual Nature
2 years for posession of around 43,000 grade 5 images
1 year for Possetion of around 77,000 Grade 4 images


I would have hoped for more than 7 years for rape of a child - however you have to consider that murder is 25 years max.

[kawi kid]

I'm assuming this is from your home land?

[ohiomike]

OK so like tressel, lets make someone that did nothing the F'in fall guy. I know this has been discussed but dammit people. Fire the tard not the guy that had nothing to do with it.

AND

Just because he is the head coach that does not mean he should be fired because his staff did whatever. This is stupid, Once again. First Jim now Joe.

Apples and oranges. Tressel intentionally broke the rules. Paterno followed the rules.

Big diff.

I talked with someone who is in a similar job and his contract clearly states that he is required to take matters like this to his upper management, and it states, not to the police. Of course no one really knows what Paterno's contract states. Yet, lets react based on the media's buildup of it all. Once again we let the media dictate our actions and reactions. And just what did firing Paterno accomplish? Nothing positive. It also puts other coaches on alert-they are liable whether they follow their contract or not. The system is broke and this helps prove that.

[Scruit]

I'm assuming this is from your home land?

Yes. About a year ago.

[Zach]

Isn't it funny how one man ruined the legacy of a great coach?

Wrong.

One man's failure to do the right thing ruined his own legacy.

[Scruit]

And just what did firing Paterno accomplish? Nothing positive. It also puts other coaches on alert-they are liable whether they follow their contract or not. The system is broke and this helps prove that.

You answered your own question. People now know that they must report crimes of this nature and that their contract won't save them.

Mandatory police reporting laws exist for many occupations. Teachers, doctors, photo developing places (people still use those??) Some states are thinking about adding IT techs to that list (if you find kiddie porn on a computer you are working on) (I drafted corporate reporting policies for a company I used ot be IT Manager at. I was very clear and all IT techs had to follow it - non-illegal porn found on a company computer was reported to me and HR. Kiddie porn gets reported to the police directly, and follow-up with me and HR.)

But you have to take a step back and relaize that regardless of your prescribed legal obligation, every person has a moral duty to report a sex crime against a child to the police.

No contract should ever tell you that you cannot report a crime to the police.

[Scruit]

Apples and oranges.

I agree.

The Penn State victims were underage children who suffered sex crimes.

Tressel's victims were... Err... "Good sportsmanship" ?

[ohiomike]

You answered your own question. People now know that they must report crimes of this nature and that their contract won't save them.

Mandatory police reporting laws exist for many occupations. Teachers, doctors, photo developing places (people still use those??) Some states are thinking about adding IT techs to that list (if you find kiddie porn on a computer you are working on) (I drafted corporate reporting policies for a company I used ot be IT Manager at. I was very clear and all IT techs had to follow it - non-illegal porn found on a company computer was reported to me and HR. Kiddie porn gets reported to the police directly, and follow-up with me and HR.)

But you have to take a step back and relaize that regardless of your prescribed legal obligation, every person has a moral duty to report a sex crime against a child to the police.

No contract should ever tell you that you cannot report a crime to the police.

You violate your contract, you are fired. Your it issue with work computers is a different issue totally.

Think of Richard Jewell. The media jumped into his accusations and when it was over he was ruined.....and proven innocent. The system is broke.

Sad day indeed for CFB, even sadder in Happy Valley. The media wins again and the victims are still victims.

[cmh_sprint]

While I am torn about JoePa being fired I do see the reasoning behind hit. What I don't get is why Mike McQuery is still employed, he did the exact same thing Joe Pa did. He should have been axed last night as well. Maybe he will be in the future . If anyone saw the press conference when they announced the decision on JoePa, it was very clear that this was a snap decision.

[Vulcan_Rider]

Are any of the JoePa suppoorters sparing a thought for the rape victims here? Just wonderin'

As victims I am sure they would like to see the whole college burn to the ground but it doesn't mean they are right. They have been violated in a way no one ever should be, but because they are suffering does not make it ok for for others to suffer without just cause.

Paterno is collateral damage in a media driven public relations move. If other facts come out that indicate Paterno covered this up like the 2 that are up on chages then my opinion will change, until then he got screwed for following protocol.

[obesityrules]

The guy my brother caught / turned in...

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m159/Scruit/Barnsley_chronicle.jpg

He was facing 800 charges to begin with. He had 37 SD cards full of pictures and videos of his crimes.

My brother sent me this update about the guilty plea:



I would have hoped for more than 7 years for rape of a child - however you have to consider that murder is 25 years max.


USA! USA!

http://reason.com/blog/2011/11/07/a-life-sentence-for-possessing-child-por



A Life Sentence for Possessing Child Pornography

Last week a Florida judge sentenced Daniel Enrique Guevara Vilca, a 26-year-old with no criminal record, to life in prison without the possibility of parole for looking at forbidden pictures.

A jury convicted Vilca on 454 counts of possessing child pornography, one for each image found on his computer. Under Florida law, each count is a third-degree felony punishable by up to five years in prison.

Sentencing guidelines indicated a minimum term of 152 years, although Collier Circuit Judge Fred Hardt had discretion to impose a lighter sentence if he concluded it was justified by factors such as constitutional infirmity or Vilca's mental health.

"Had Mr. Vilca actually molested a child," The New York Times notes, "he might well have received a lighter sentence."

[Scruit]

USA! USA!

http://reason.com/blog/2011/11/07/a-life-sentence-for-possessing-child-por


Closer, but that will be appealed.

[jagr]

Breaking News from Penn State!!!


Antoine Dodson warns a PERP on LIVE TV! (Original) - YouTube

[Casper]

Apples and oranges. Tressel intentionally broke the rules. Paterno followed the rules.

Big diff. Not so sure about that. Rumor has it the vest followed the rules also, but was used a scapegoat. I find it quite believable since the changed his resignation with no pay to retirement with full benefits. They wouldn't have done that if they had legal grounds to force him to leave.

[dustinsn3485]

After reading through this I'm in the minority it appears. I don't think firing was enough.

Every person starting with McQuery should be charged with some form of child abuse. While Sandusky was the perp McQuery, Joe Pa, and those above him are just as guilty. This is a group of people that all knew what was going on for a decade and turned a blind eye to it and let it go on. The janitors that saw Sandusky in the showers with a boy in 2000 should be facing charges also.

I don't care what the contract says or what rules dictate, it's not acceptable to let child abuse/sodomy to go on and do nothing about it. I've got to believe if I walked in on it I'd walk out in cuffs. Anyone who would see it happening and walk out is as guilty as the perp.

[ohiomike]

Not so sure about that. Rumor has it the vest followed the rules also, but was used a scapegoat. I find it quite believable since the changed his resignation with no pay to retirement with full benefits. They wouldn't have done that if they had legal grounds to force him to leave.


Funny you should mention that theory-I think its very plausible myself. Now with the latest round of sanctions and accusations from the NCAA maybe people will realize the real problem probably lies with the AD and the compliance office leadership.

I also have thought it would be just like Paterno, knowing his run was about done anyway (prior to the scandal)
, to offer himself as a scapegoat. "Fire me, its whats best for the University." Just as long as you pay me what I have worked for 60 years to get.

I see Joe hired an atty, probably to protect himself, but it might also be to make sure he gets his pension, which he should get.

[Big Chief201]

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[Scruit]

^^ Looks like this guy is looking for a good Tight End...

[Vulcan_Rider]

^^ Looks like this guy is looking for a good Tight End...


to turn into a wide receiver

[gen3flygirl]

Here's the indictment if you still don't think joe-pa should be fired you're an idiot.

http://www.freep.com/assets/freep/pdf/C4181508116.PDF

[Scruit]

Every single person aware of sex allegations should have gone to the police. F*ck the contract. I'd sign a work contract saying I can't report this stuff to the police but I'd break that contract in a second if I saw crap like this going on.

[C-bus]

Child Molesters and Rapists are the worst of the worst. No punishment is severe enough.

[Scruit]

I keep saying - the Brazen Bull (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazen_bull) for kiddie fiddlers.

[ohiomike]

Here's the indictment if you still don't think joe-pa should be fired you're an idiot.

http://www.freep.com/assets/freep/pdf/C4181508116.PDF

You keep carping that Paterno deserved firing, when he was told a couple of guys are horsing around in the shower then tells his higher up, but the 28 year old adult man who walks in on the incident, AND DOES NOT STOP IT, GOES HOME TO TELL HIS DAD INSTEAD OF TELLING ANY OFFICIALS, OR THE POLICE, yet he can keep his job. BS

[gen3flygirl]

I am just staing that they were justified in firing him. I also think they would be justified in firing the athletics director and president of the university. As for the other guy his ass should be in jail for not reporting it.

[Scruit]

You keep carping that Paterno deserved firing, when he was told a couple of guys are horsing around in the shower then tells his higher up, but the 28 year old adult man who walks in on the incident, AND DOES NOT STOP IT, GOES HOME TO TELL HIS DAD INSTEAD OF TELLING ANY OFFICIALS, OR THE POLICE, yet he can keep his job. BS

Slow down, turbo - you been following the news? The 28yr old has been suspended indefinitely and they're still deciding what to do with him. My guess is he's toast too, for the same reason as JoePa.

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/11/11/3261803/penn-states-mcqueary-put-on-administrative.html

[Vulcan_Rider]

I am just staing that they were justified in firing him. I also think they would be justified in firing the athletics director and president of the university. As for the other guy his ass should be in jail for not reporting it.


There is not a single thing in there that justifies his firing. The only way his firing is justified is if he actively covered up the incident which he did not do. All he had to work with was an accusation from someone else. He did not see anything, he reported the accusation to his boss his boss fucked up not him. He did nothing wrong and absolutely did not deserve to get fired. If people could set aside emotion for 2 fucking seconds and work with facts and logic then they would see that he should not have been fired, but of course since there was a kid involved the whole fucking campus should be burned down and anyone who was even remotely close to the situation should be burned at the stake. They conducted a fucking witch hunt as a public relations move. This mans legacy and career and life are now ruined because fucking morons can not look at a situation logically with the presented facts.

Fact: Joe Paterno did not see the incident

Opinion: Being told about the incident is just as bad as seeing it

Fact: Joe Paterno followed protocol and reported what he had heard to his superiors

Opinion: He should have said fuck protocol and called police

Fact: Joe Paterno fulfilled his legal obligation by reporting the accusation that he did not see to his superiors

Opinion: He had a moral obligation to do more.



Like I said before I personally would have done more follow up on thesituation but it still does not justify Joe Paterno being fired

[ama146]

A

As a father of a 10 year old football player (same age as one of the 2002 vicitims), I know for a fact that I'd be sitting in city/county lockup right now, as the D.A. would be considering whether or not to file charges against me on a count of manslaughter.

Sh*t like this, when the victims are children and the adults who are supposed to protect them do next to nothing, really, really, REALLY angers me.

</rant>

so you think killing that man is worth 10-15 years away from your son while you are in prison?

[Bad324]

Here's the indictment if you still don't think joe-pa should be fired you're an idiot.

http://www.freep.com/assets/freep/pdf/C4181508116.PDF
And OJ didn't do it?

[Scruit]

Fact: Joe Paterno fulfilled his legal obligation by reporting the accusation that he did not see to his superiors

Opinion: He had a moral obligation to do more.



The fact that he fulfilled his legal obligation is the reason he wasn't criminally charged with anything. Has no bearing on his moral duties or his duty to effectively coach his team.

[Bad324]

The fact that he fulfilled his legal obligation is the reason he wasn't criminally charged with anything. Has no bearing on his moral duties or his duty to effectively coach his team.

And that's why he shoulda been able to retire at te end of the year in my opinion

[Scruit]

And that's why he shoulda been able to retire at te end of the year in my opinion

I would have been ok with him retiring at the end of this season - as long as he is out of the program and the message is sent out that even icons are not immune.

[Bad324]

I would have been ok with him retiring at the end of this season - as long as he is out of the program and the message is sent out that even icons are not immune.
I would've preferred thats how his story ended. However, it didn't and at the same time I get why they fired him so I'm not really all that mad about it really. Maybe he only knew what the reports say, maybe he knew more. I don't know. Just from a legal and employee standpoint, I feel like he deserved to finish out the season and retire from what I have heard from reports. The moral issue is a whole other situation though

[shittygsxr]

I would've preferred thats how his story ended. However, it didn't and at the same time I get why they fired him so I'm not really all that mad about it really. Maybe he only knew what the reports say, maybe he knew more. I don't know. Just from a legal and employee standpoint, I feel like he deserved to finish out the season and retire from what I have heard from reports. The moral issue is a whole other situation though

No it's not. He is an employee of the university 24 hours a day and during those 24 hours a day he has to represent the university and its values.

[Bad324]

No it's not. He is an employee of the university 24 hours a day and during those 24 hours a day he has to represent the university and its values.
I wasn't being clear, but that is what I meant

[chevysoldier]

And this is why I don't watch football. Football is greater than any god and it's the end all be all. Too much drama and bs in this sport. All you hear is coach so and so did this, player so and so did this, blah blah blah. Cry me a freaking river and get over it.

[Vulcan_Rider]

I have had several people (not on here) tell me that I am fucked up for defending Joe Paterno and it is sad that I am so blinded by a sport that I am willing to look past what he did wrong. Funny part is I don't watch college football with the exception of the occasional OSU Michigan game. The sport has nothing to do with my position on this situation. I am sure there are people out there defending him only because he is who he is, however for me personally it doesn't matter who he is, I would feel the same no matter what. Just remember not everyone defending him is blinded by his "legendary" status.

[gen3flygirl]

and the hits keep coming for Joe-Pa, this I do feel sorry for him. Cancer sucks :(

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/18/son-joepa-being-treated-for-lung-cancer/related

[chevysoldier]

and the hits keep coming for Joe-Pa, this I do feel sorry for him. Cancer sucks :(

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/18/son-joepa-being-treated-for-lung-cancer/related

This is a valid thing to make a big deal of. Sad.

[InyaAzz]

Go Blue

[chevysoldier]

Go Blue Jackets

Ftfy

[Casper]

Friend of a friend was the realitor on the Urban Meyer thing... His wife's family was from the area and were looking at a house because of that. Someone was sick in the family. It had nothing to do with OSU..... Not that it won't but it did not. Also, it has yet to been placed on the auditor site, unless someone else can find it, but we haven't been able to. So not sure if he really bought one or not.

Guess we'll just have to wait and see.

http://www.hjo3.net/orly/gal1/orly_wonka.gif

[Scruit]

http://www.hjo3.net/orly/gal1/orly_wonka.gif


The red X clears things up for me. Thanks. :cool:

[JRMMiii]

Truth
http://o.onionstatic.com/images/articles/article/26/26724/10Year_Olds-635.jpg If, for example, these boys were being raped, they would want you to stop reading this and call the police right away.



UNIVERSITY PARK, PA—In the wake of the sex abuse scandal that rocked Penn State earlier this month, a coalition of 10-year-old boys from across the nation held a press conference Saturday outside Beaver Stadium, home of college football's Nittany Lions, to remind Americans that if they see someone raping a prepubescent boy, they should contact the police immediately.
"Considering that the monstrous acts perpetrated by Jerry Sandusky went unreported for years, even after a fellow coach saw him raping a 10-year-old boy inside the facility behind me, we feel perhaps not everyone is totally clear on what to do if one witnesses such a thing," said spokesperson Joshua Pearson, who was flanked by several of his fifth-grade colleagues. "Many of you will no doubt be relieved to know the proper course of action is really quite simple: Just contact the police. Call 911, go to your local precinct, stop an officer on the street—the bottom line is, if you see one of us getting raped, notify the police, and do so as quickly as possible."
"It doesn't matter who the boy being raped is, and it doesn't matter who is doing the raping, just please, please alert law enforcement," Pearson added as the 10-year-old boys surrounding him nodded soberly. "And by the way, under no circumstances is it ever okay for an adult to rape a 10-year-old boy, so you really can't go wrong by calling the police when something like that happens."
Enlarge Image (http://www.theonion.com/articles/nations-10yearold-boys-if-you-see-someone-raping-u,26724/#enlarge)http://o.onionstatic.com/images/articles/article/26/26724/10Year_Olds-Jump-R_jpg_250x1000_q85.jpgThis man was spotted raping a 10-year-old boy on Mar. 1, 2002. So the police should have been called on Mar. 1, 2002. Understand?
Pearson fielded several questions from reporters, such as whether it is okay, when one sees a boy being raped, to wait until after lunch before contacting police, or if it is acceptable to simply inform the rapist in a firm tone that what he is doing is wrong and then leave it at that. The 10-year-old confirmed neither course of action was adequate.
Additionally, Pearson attempted to clear up any confusion as to whether an individual should contact the police even if he or she has been personally acquainted with the rapist for many years.
"We understand the delicacy of the situation when the person committing the rape is a coworker or otherwise someone you know quite well, but as 10-year-old boys with very few ways of protecting ourselves, we still have to insist that you go to the police," Pearson said. "While we appreciate your reporting such acts to a supervisor at work or a trusted clergy member, unfortunately that may not be enough, and it is not the most responsible course of action. As the sad events at Penn State have taught us, there is no way to guarantee the highly important boy-raping information will reach the proper authorities unless you deliver it yourself."
"So, to reiterate: If you ever see a 10-year-old boy being raped—by anyone, at any time, even if it's a Sunday afternoon—it is very, very important that you go directly to the police and clearly explain what you saw, remembering to identify the person who was doing the raping," Pearson continued.
According to Pearson, even if one merely suspects he or she has seen a 10-year-old boy being raped, but is not absolutely certain, it is still a good idea to play it safe and allow police investigators to sort out the situation.
"Wouldn't you be left with egg on your face if that little boy was actually being raped and you didn't tell the police!" said Pearson, drawing a big laugh from the gathered crowd.
The nation's 10-year-olds unanimously echoed Pearson's sentiments, imploring people to contact police not only when they see prepubescent boys being raped, but, in fact, when they see anyone at all being raped, in any context.
"Certainly, if you were to see me being raped, I would want you to call the police—I'm a 10-year-old boy who couldn't possibly give my consent, or even fully grasp the horror of what was happening to me," Sioux Falls, SD resident Nick Kealey, 10, said between games of Mario Kart DS. "What's really at issue here is the act of rape itself. So, yes, if you see a 10-year-old boy like me being raped, by all means, call the police. But don't just walk on by if you see, say, a teenage girl being raped in a locker room, or even a full-grown man being raped in an alleyway. These are also situations in which you should definitely call the police, and right away."
"Seeing any person get raped at any time, even just once, is more than enough reason to contact the police," Kealey added. "I can't stress that enough."
Following Saturday's announcement, police stations around the country reported a flood of incoming phone calls.http://o.onionstatic.com/img/icons/terminator.gif


Source (http://www.theonion.com/articles/nations-10yearold-boys-if-you-see-someone-raping-u,26724/)

[conn-e-rot]

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